I have an old EW B model flight recorder with no manual. Is anyone familiar
with this device willing to post a quick list of the keyboard functions?

I have figured out the basics and can get it to record from my GPS - I just
want to know how to access all of the functions, or as many as someone might
be willing to spend the time typing out.

BDS

Obviously, you have figured out how to turn it on.
mine has a breif description of functions on the back
of the unit. But if I remember correctly. press on
off off to to turn the unit off, on and step through
the setup to set time, day, year, user #, interval
in seconds, and it starts recording. if you want to
see the battery level you press on, 3, time, this will
show a 400 to 500 battery level, if it is lower than
that it will gjive you an err code, I think it is 6,
other codes include low memory, memory out, ect. It
was originally designed to output directly to a printer
and to get it to downlaod you will need ew windows
uploader program and a serial port or adaptor only
a belkin usb to serial adaptors have proven to work.
It has limited memory and setting it at a 8 second
interval will only give you around 6-8 hours of flight
time. I set mine to 12 or 16 to make sure I get everything
on those long flights or 2 flight before downloading.
Oh yea when you first turn it on it tell you how much
memory is remaining and asks if you want to save it.
There is also a feature that I don't use that allows
you to set a higher sample rate and when you short
out two pins in the connector it goes into a 2 second
sample rate for two minutes when you get close to a
turn point for quicker turns. I never used that feature.
hope this helps.

At 19:06 15 August 2006, Bds > wrote:
>I have an old EW B model flight recorder with no manual.
> Is anyone familiar
>with this device willing to post a quick list of the
>keyboard functions?
>
>I have figured out the basics and can get it to record
>from my GPS - I just
>want to know how to access all of the functions, or
>as many as someone might
>be willing to spend the time typing out.
>
>BDS
>
>
>

Cliff Hilty wrote:
> Obviously, you have figured out how to turn it on.
> mine has a breif description of functions on the back
> of the unit. But if I remember correctly. press on
> off off to to turn the unit off, on and step through
> the setup to set time, day, year, user #, interval
> in seconds, and it starts recording. if you want to
> see the battery level you press on, 3, time, this will
> show a 400 to 500 battery level, if it is lower than
> that it will gjive you an err code, I think it is 6,
> other codes include low memory, memory out, ect. It
> was originally designed to output directly to a printer
> and to get it to downlaod you will need ew windows
> uploader program and a serial port or adaptor only
> a belkin usb to serial adaptors have proven to work.
> It has limited memory and setting it at a 8 second
> interval will only give you around 6-8 hours of flight
> time. I set mine to 12 or 16 to make sure I get everything
> on those long flights or 2 flight before downloading.
> Oh yea when you first turn it on it tell you how much
> memory is remaining and asks if you want to save it.
> There is also a feature that I don't use that allows
> you to set a higher sample rate and when you short
> out two pins in the connector it goes into a 2 second
> sample rate for two minutes when you get close to a
> turn point for quicker turns. I never used that feature.
> hope this helps.
>
> At 19:06 15 August 2006, Bds > wrote:
> >I have an old EW B model flight recorder with no manual.
> > Is anyone familiar
> >with this device willing to post a quick list of the
> >keyboard functions?
> >
> >I have figured out the basics and can get it to record
> >from my GPS - I just
> >want to know how to access all of the functions, or
> >as many as someone might
> >be willing to spend the time typing out.
> >
> >BDS
> >
> >


Hi there

not a good idea to set the rate at more than 5 sec. At the recent
Russian Qualifiying Grand Prix an experienced pilot had a sample rate
of 10sec and missed his last control point and bagged himself a 5
minute penalty. He claims his logger beeped but the trace shows clearly
that he did not make a point inside the TP area which was parallel to
the track for the finish. Checking in SeeYou showed his recording
points just before and after the TP Tangent. Within these 10 seconds he
propably did fly into the Sector and out of it again.

Regards
Bruno

EW Baro Start Up Procedure

Press ON

"FREE" flashes and then a number indicating % of memory
remaining appears

Press ENT

"CLEr" flashes

Press NO (unless you need to clear memory for flight)

year appears. If incorrect, enter last 2 digits of year

Pres ENT

mm/dd appears. If incorrect, enter 4 digits

Pres ENT

time appears. If incorrect, enter time in hhmm 24 hrs format

Pres ENT

U (user number) appears. Enter number from 1 to 9999 to
identity pilot, aircraft, or observer. 7 is default for Pete
Brown

Pres ENT

INT (interval will momentarily appear.) Enter [10] seconds.

Pres ENT

Baro will now start flashing, recording PA( pressure
altitude) at 10 second intervals.

To Begin Calibration Process: (see page 30 of manual)

Press [ENT] [4] [ENT]

Reads in thousands of meters, i.e., .120 = 120 meters

Baro should now be placed in decompression chamber with
display facing operator and decompressed normally. Chart is
made of chamber readings and baro display reading.


To turn off

Press [ON] [OFF] [OFF]

Common Error codes

Err2 memory low but useable 3.3 hrs at 10 second sample rate
Err5 battery is low, change soon, several hours remain
Err6 device has turned off due to extremely low battery

Use 10 second sample rate for badges & records
10 seconds = 10 hours of data
30 seconds = 30 hours

Battery: PP3 alkaline 9 volt

To check battery level
Press [ON] [3] [time]
fresh battery should be ~500
replace at ~ 350
do not use below 300


I have a manunual that I could copy. Email me for details on
where to send it if you would like.

Pete Brown pdbatgcidotnet

BDS
> I have an old EW B model flight recorder with no manual. Is anyone familiar
> with this device willing to post a quick list of the keyboard functions?
>
> I have figured out the basics and can get it to record from my GPS - I just
> want to know how to access all of the functions, or as many as someone might
> be willing to spend the time typing out.
>
> BDS
>
>

--

Peter D. Brown
http://home.gci.net/~pdb/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akmtnsoaring/

Great - thanks for the help!

BDS

"Pete Brown" > wrote in message
...
> EW Baro Start Up Procedure
>
> Press ON
>
> "FREE" flashes and then a number indicating % of memory
> remaining appears
>
> Press ENT
>
> "CLEr" flashes
>
> Press NO (unless you need to clear memory for flight)
>
> year appears. If incorrect, enter last 2 digits of year
>
> Pres ENT
>
> mm/dd appears. If incorrect, enter 4 digits
>
> Pres ENT
>
> time appears. If incorrect, enter time in hhmm 24 hrs format
>
> Pres ENT
>
> U (user number) appears. Enter number from 1 to 9999 to
> identity pilot, aircraft, or observer. 7 is default for Pete
> Brown
>
> Pres ENT
>
> INT (interval will momentarily appear.) Enter [10] seconds.
>
> Pres ENT
>
> Baro will now start flashing, recording PA( pressure
> altitude) at 10 second intervals.
>
> To Begin Calibration Process: (see page 30 of manual)
>
> Press [ENT] [4] [ENT]
>
> Reads in thousands of meters, i.e., .120 = 120 meters
>
> Baro should now be placed in decompression chamber with
> display facing operator and decompressed normally. Chart is
> made of chamber readings and baro display reading.
>
>
> To turn off
>
> Press [ON] [OFF] [OFF]
>
> Common Error codes
>
> Err2 memory low but useable 3.3 hrs at 10 second sample rate
> Err5 battery is low, change soon, several hours remain
> Err6 device has turned off due to extremely low battery
>
> Use 10 second sample rate for badges & records
> 10 seconds = 10 hours of data
> 30 seconds = 30 hours
>
> Battery: PP3 alkaline 9 volt
>
> To check battery level
> Press [ON] [3] [time]
> fresh battery should be ~500
> replace at ~ 350
> do not use below 300
>
>
> I have a manunual that I could copy. Email me for details on
> where to send it if you would like.
>
> Pete Brown pdbatgcidotnet
>
> BDS
> > I have an old EW B model flight recorder with no manual. Is anyone
familiar
> > with this device willing to post a quick list of the keyboard functions?
> >
> > I have figured out the basics and can get it to record from my GPS - I
just
> > want to know how to access all of the functions, or as many as someone
might
> > be willing to spend the time typing out.
> >
> > BDS
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Peter D. Brown
> http://home.gci.net/~pdb/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akmtnsoaring/
>
>
>

Mottley wrote:

> Hi there
>
> not a good idea to set the rate at more than 5 sec. At the recent
> Russian Qualifiying Grand Prix an experienced pilot had a sample rate
> of 10sec and missed his last control point and bagged himself a 5
> minute penalty. He claims his logger beeped but the trace shows clearly
> that he did not make a point inside the TP area which was parallel to
> the track for the finish. Checking in SeeYou showed his recording
> points just before and after the TP Tangent. Within these 10 seconds he
> propably did fly into the Sector and out of it again.
>
> Regards
> Bruno
>
When I started analysing traces in 1993 (UK overseas Nationals) the
standard thing was to set it to 10 second sampling. It was very rare
not to have a point in the TP sector. However, it did happen and we
just pulled the films - which were always in (how can you prove 1m
accuracy on a photo?). Some pilots would increase the rate close to the
TP, or mark the trace as they turned in the sector. No doubt things
have moved on...

Dave Kearns

Dave K wrote:
> Mottley wrote:
>
> > Hi there
> >
> > not a good idea to set the rate at more than 5 sec. At the recent
> > Russian Qualifiying Grand Prix an experienced pilot had a sample rate
> > of 10sec and missed his last control point and bagged himself a 5
> > minute penalty. He claims his logger beeped but the trace shows clearly
> > that he did not make a point inside the TP area which was parallel to
> > the track for the finish. Checking in SeeYou showed his recording
> > points just before and after the TP Tangent. Within these 10 seconds he
> > propably did fly into the Sector and out of it again.
> >
> > Regards
> > Bruno
> >
> When I started analysing traces in 1993 (UK overseas Nationals) the
> standard thing was to set it to 10 second sampling. It was very rare
> not to have a point in the TP sector. However, it did happen and we
> just pulled the films - which were always in (how can you prove 1m
> accuracy on a photo?). Some pilots would increase the rate close to the
> TP, or mark the trace as they turned in the sector. No doubt things
> have moved on...
>
> Dave Kearns
There were some photos with the wingtip pointing at the turnpoint and
the buildings leaning the wrong way, only proving the glider was
somewhat inverted and possibly short of the turnpoint.

Frank Whiteley
(UK Opens photo, GPS, scoring team '93, '94)

At 17:54 17 August 2006, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>
>Dave K wrote:
>> Mottley wrote:
>>
>> > Hi there
>> >
>> > not a good idea to set the rate at more than 5 sec.
>>>At the recent
>> > Russian Qualifiying Grand Prix an experienced pilot
>>>had a sample rate
>> > of 10sec and missed his last control point and bagged
>>>himself a 5
>> > minute penalty.

Dont set the sampling rate to low with the model B.

On my first 300k attempt I set it at 5sec and ran out
of memory 2/3rd the way round. It then just stops
recording. Yes i was that slow it took me 5 1/2 hrs
altogether.
Nigel

Frank Whiteley wrote:
> There were some photos with the wingtip pointing at the turnpoint and
> the buildings leaning the wrong way, only proving the glider was
> somewhat inverted and possibly short of the turnpoint.
>
> Frank Whiteley
> (UK Opens photo, GPS, scoring team '93, '94)

I think Steve Jones was the winner for the most marginal logger points.
I think he managed 3 TPs in one flight with just one point in each sector.

Those early days of GPS analysis were fun - I remember doing the first
analysis of traces to get a 'wind at flying height' reading at Enstone
for the 93(?) Open Nationals and then getting phone calls a year or so
later from NZ asking for advice on this before they had their Worlds.

Only last year I found my multi-way lead that could connect to any type
of logger without changing leads...

I must be getting old.

Dave Kearns

Dave K wrote:
> Frank Whiteley wrote:
> > There were some photos with the wingtip pointing at the turnpoint and
> > the buildings leaning the wrong way, only proving the glider was
> > somewhat inverted and possibly short of the turnpoint.
> >
> > Frank Whiteley
> > (UK Opens photo, GPS, scoring team '93, '94)
>
> I think Steve Jones was the winner for the most marginal logger points.
> I think he managed 3 TPs in one flight with just one point in each sector.
>
> Those early days of GPS analysis were fun - I remember doing the first
> analysis of traces to get a 'wind at flying height' reading at Enstone
> for the 93(?) Open Nationals and then getting phone calls a year or so
> later from NZ asking for advice on this before they had their Worlds.
>
> Only last year I found my multi-way lead that could connect to any type
> of logger without changing leads...
>
> I must be getting old.
>
> Dave Kearns
I remember the first day of traces when the pilots ran out to Six Mile
Bottom then Hus Bos (furthest point). The traces showed some flying
1500ft above cloudbase. In particular I recall John Giddens flying the
ASW-22 north about to the Wash for 2 hours before landing at Hus Bos,
mostly in cloud. Then there was Graham Skelly's 'maggot racing'
program;^). Good times.

Frank Whiteley

I suspect that the one I have is technically no longer IGC approved since
the latest approval document states that Models A, B, and C must have
version or upgrade dates after May 1997 and mine has AEWAB1238 9716 in the
data file, which seems to indicate the 16th week of 1997 as the date of the
firmware version.

I have emailed EW Avionics to confirm this but am not optimistic about
hearing anything back from them.

BDS

"Nigel Pocock" > wrote in message
...
> At 17:54 17 August 2006, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> >
> >Dave K wrote:
> >> Mottley wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi there
> >> >
> >> > not a good idea to set the rate at more than 5 sec.
> >>>At the recent
> >> > Russian Qualifiying Grand Prix an experienced pilot
> >>>had a sample rate
> >> > of 10sec and missed his last control point and bagged
> >>>himself a 5
> >> > minute penalty.
>
> Dont set the sampling rate to low with the model B.
>
> On my first 300k attempt I set it at 5sec and ran out
> of memory 2/3rd the way round. It then just stops
> recording. Yes i was that slow it took me 5 1/2 hrs
> altogether.
> Nigel
>
>
>

My concern is where it states the following even before it talks about which
GPS units can be connected:

"HARDWARE

EWFR models A, B, C and D. These are IGC-approved only when connected by
cable to the specific GPS units listed
below. All models have a 9-pin 17mm wide female connector on an end face.
This has EW-proprietary pin
connections (see 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 for connector cables). (AL 1)

Models A, B and C. Versions or upgrades must have dates of May 1997 or
later. Model A has an altitude capability
of 10km., model B, 12 km., model C, 15 km. All three models are the same
size, approximately 150 x 80 x 30 mm;
weight is about 270 grammes. A 16-button keypad (about 60 x 60mm) and LCD
(about 50 x 200mm) are on the front
face."

Since I have a GPS 90 that I can use it would be great if it turns out that
the firmware version is only a factor in which GPS is allowed.

BDS


"Tim Newport-Peace" ]> wrote in message
...

> The answer lies in the latest Approval Document which can be found on
> the FAI website. The URL is:
> http://www.fai.org/gliding/system/files?file=ew.pdf
>
> where it says:
>
> "EW firmware 97XX or later may be used with the following GPS units:
> Garmin GPS 12 XL, 80-Mil, 89, 90 and 95, and the Garmin GPS 55 with
> software versions 1.12 or later.
>
> EW firmware 98XX or later may be used with the GPS units above under
> 97XX, and also with the following: Garmin GPS II, II plus, III, III
> pilot, IIIPlus, 12, 12CX, 48, 92. Also the Garmin eTrex, eMap, GPSCOM
> 190, GPSMAP 195 and 295. (AL3)"
>
> The early firmware version limits the Garmin GPS engines that may be
> used.

Frank Whiteley wrote:

> I remember the first day of traces when the pilots ran out to Six Mile
> Bottom then Hus Bos (furthest point). The traces showed some flying
> 1500ft above cloudbase. In particular I recall John Giddens flying the
> ASW-22 north about to the Wash for 2 hours before landing at Hus Bos,
> mostly in cloud. Then there was Graham Skelly's 'maggot racing'
> program;^). Good times.
>
> Frank Whiteley
>

Maggots were good. The room I had at Enstone would be packed with
people watching what others had done. They'd come back later to look at
the maggots for those who landed out - usually with chuckles of joy...

Poland was fun, as the overseas was the first BGA comp to allow loggers.
It was a steep learning curve, as I was scoring, checking photos and
doing the loggers.

Dave